Wednesday, December 02, 2015

1 December Question Masters

 

It was the Lemmings’ turn to set and ask the questions and we  are under a huge obligation to Matt, AKA Alan-A-Dale, who covered at very short notice for Wendy who had some family problems. Not only did he travel to the Weaver, he seems to have had the roughest ride of the four games.

All OK - good to see a game played well and competitively - until the Weaver pulled ahead in the last few rounds to run out winners without a steward’s enquiry.

There was some grumbling re: questions (even though only 2 GKs didn't get answered by anyone).  Can a race contain only one team/participant? - all three parties decided that it could so we replaced the three-legged race with a supp.  I suspect that many teams spotted "woolsack-gate" and a second supplementary did the job.

Balance was a common theme in discussion during and after the quiz – Alan L’s campaign for pairing sustained when the occasional difficult question was followed by a “doddle” – although I think (at team-level, at least) this probably evened itself out. Not sure if this was a broader pattern but the gap between the two “big beasts” answering 2nd (both scored 45) and the 2 going 4th (42 between them) was indicative of some seats being comfier than others on the night (with or without a woolsack).

As expected and befitting the pedigree of the two teams, the quiz was hard-fought, but with humour increasingly on show in the latter stages. An apparent escapee from the WGT’s ladies’ darts team did briefly interrupt the second half with a lengthy and vociferous monologue nearby, whilst a passing punter slipped by to offer Mark some (useless as well as unwelcome) advice on the chemical properties of diamond.

What was very clear to me is that the evening could have been less enjoyable had I been personally implicated in the setting of the questions. As such, I will continue last week’s message – could the “chicken and egg” problem of dodgy questions vs. too much grumbling. My impression of the Weaver is that whilst they are a team who are happy to criticise a question (and these were criticisms I could frequently see coming), they also often have a perfectly legitimate suggestion for how it could be rephrased. In this spirit, two suggestions for the question-setters scrapbook:

  1. “West Sussex” and similar. Not an ideal answer if the player might respond with “Sussex”, for example. Correct? passed over? ask for further guidance and then when “East Sussex” comes out, it is a freebie to the opposition?

  2. “Specifically” seems like an invitation for trouble – was glad that nothing was riding on the last question. The initial answer of “concerto” was a long way from wrong. “With which instrument….”?

This was my first (and quite possibly only) exposure to a top of the A League ding-dong. It was a healthy reminder of the breadth of competitiveness and skill on show across the divisions. Whilst many participants see the purpose of Tuesday’s to be fun, there are serious quizzers out there and they are not wrong in wanting their contests to be decided by the skill of the players and not the questions. Like football referees, questions will never be perfect, but that shouldn’t preclude discussion of how to get closer.”

Matt was only able to help out as the Robin Hood have a pool of players, and it was Bob who returned to the lovely Peak District pub as question master.

“NEWS FROM THE FRONT LINE - A QUESTION MASTER'S VIEW:

"Tonight's quiz was a question masters dream. A warm, friendly and welcoming pub with two teams who were up for a good night's entertainment.

The Robin Hood and the Dolphin Dragons engaged in combat but sparked off each other in the most humorous ways. Driven by banter from Jim Kennelly and Liz Horrocks in turn, the evening bounced along most agreeably. Even the 'problem' questions were dismissed with a casual 'have a supplementary'.  Best of all was agreement between the two teams that you can ENTER a three-legged race with two people but you can't RACE until there are four.  This promoted much hilarity, as did the "Who wrote Blue Suede Shoes?"  It began when Tim Grimes of the Robin Hood asked the assembled teams what was the anthem of one-legged Elvis lovers.... answer... "Blue Suede Shoe". This prompted a rare joke from question master Bob Langstaff who halted proceedings to tell the sad story of the man who had trouble with his feet. The doctor examined him and informed him that he actually had TWO LEFT FEET! Not in the sense that he couldn't dance, but that he literally had two left feet. The man was grateful for the answer to his problem but depressed that he had two left feet. He left the surgery and as it was a lovely sunny day he decided to cheer himself up by going into a shoe shop and buying himself a pair of flip-flips."

Dolphin Dragons won the match 158 to 130. Great evening.”

Tomo made his way to the Dolphin where he too had an enjoyable evening.

“I had a good evening, too.
I don't know how Little Women got into the Mr & Mrs round and it was immediately pointed out that The Woolsack is sat upon in the House of Lords, but apart from that it was  a very good evening. The Royal Oak marked the specialists down as they were getting some stinkers, but overall the balance looked good. The Dolphin gave the specialists 8. I can't remember the scores for GK.
Final score Dolphin 156 - 143 Royal Oak”

And finally Nick was at the Ox-Fford that has just been renovated and has a very friendly landlord and staff. Moreover, they are no longer tied to Marstons and had an interesting selection of real ale including Sharp’s Atlantic (previously only seen in bottles) and who remembers draft Worthingtons? It was a very friendly tussle, with the two major errors already referred to being spotted and without the challenge of a single three-legged horse race. A high point was Haydn getting all of his General Knowledge questions. The evening was rounded off with an excellent selection of hot pies – a most enjoyable time with thanks to both teams who tolerated Nick’s twice reading the answer instead of passing over the question with good humour and with every good wish for the new landlord’s success in the future.

Comment has been made about the times shown on the blog – the server is in America and shows their local time – I’ve not found a way to change it but will ask Google who own Blogger.

NOW SORTED!!!

5 comments:

Anonymous said...

Wot, no comments?

Anonymous said...

Zebediah Arsecandle said...

Doesn't look like it!

MW said...

The first of our biannual scheduled meetings with the Weaver produced a 160 - 146 win for the home team. We can't have any complaints regarding the result, the Weaver fielded their strongest team and they are always very difficult to beat in those circumstances. As AA'D says, the game was very close for most of the evening with the Weaver having a 54 - 50 lead after the Specialists and there was only a split hair between the teams half-way through the GK, but the second half saw the Weaver build a lead, primarily down to scoring 19 "Threes” from their last 24 questions compared to our 10.

Thanks must go to AA'D who stepped into the QM slot at the last minute and navigated his way through the questions with aplomb.

The questions were generally good even if the odd one reminded me of why I was rubbish at chemistry at school. The "Woolsack" kerfuffle is already well-documented and need not be expanded upon although we did detect a whiff of "Armadillo" about that three-legged race question!!!

I would also personally support more John Cooper Clarke questions and it was a shame (for me) that the question about him only made the supplementary list!

We did have some discussions about pairing during the game and as previously stated in other comments, I prefer to separate mine with a bit of distance. Alan L would prefer to see them pretty much side by side, which can work of course if done well, which is always the point.

“Which team won the Football World Cup Final in 1966?” would probably be popular even amongst those not usually interested in such matters, but if it was immediately followed by “Which team won the Football World Cup Final in 1938?”, I could foresee some tutting and muttering breaking out.

Setting questions in the format we play is not easy and you can find faults in even the best sets of questions we see. It is so much easier to set questions for a “classic” pub quiz where everyone gets the same questions and writes the answer down, but the format we play is quite different and that is the beauty of it (if that is the right word). Trying to make the questions of equal difficulty for both sides always involves some subjective judgements and the best anyone can do is to check and check again, then get others to check them before you submit the final version.

AJ said...

I was one of the vetters of these questions. We commented on the West Sussex answer but our comments fell on deaf ears. The Little Women question in the Mr & Mrs round only appeared right at the last minute after a previous question was dropped. Unfortunately the questions had already been printed and sent to the Waters Green so it was too late to change it. I think the Woolsack question was another late substitution so this wasn't picked up.

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